{"id":27793,"date":"2019-01-08T17:05:23","date_gmt":"2019-01-08T16:05:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/conversem\/"},"modified":"2023-04-20T09:40:37","modified_gmt":"2023-04-20T07:40:37","slug":"conversemos","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/conversemos\/","title":{"rendered":"Conversemos"},"content":{"rendered":"<section class=\"l-section wpb_row height_auto\"><div class=\"l-section-h i-cf\"><div class=\"g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"w-separator separador_inicial size_medium\"><\/div><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><h1>Conversemos<\/h1>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator separador_inicial size_medium\"><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/section><section class=\"l-section wpb_row height_auto\"><div class=\"l-section-h i-cf\"><div class=\"g-cols vc_row via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-4 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row caja_gris via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><h3><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/pro-europa\/\">Pro Europa<\/a><\/h3>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_small\"><\/div><div class=\"w-grid type_grid layout_28089\" id=\"us_grid_1\" style=\"--gap:1.5rem;\" data-filterable=\"true\"><style>.layout_28089 .w-grid-item-h{}.layout_28089 .usg_post_title_1{font-family:var(--font-family)!important;font-size:18px!important;font-weight:700!important}.layout_28089 .usg_post_date_1{margin-bottom:0px!important;font-family:var(--font-family)!important;font-size:13px!important;color:#aab2bd!important}.layout_28089 .usg_post_author_1{font-family:var(--font-family)!important;font-size:15px!important}@media (max-width:600px){.layout_28089 .usg_post_date_1{font-size:13px!important}.layout_28089 .usg_post_author_1{font-size:15px!important}}<\/style><div class=\"w-grid-list\">\t<article class=\"w-grid-item size_1x1 post-87924 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-pro-europa-es tag-china tag-deng-xiaoping\" data-id=\"87924\">\r\n\t\t<div class=\"w-grid-item-h\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"w-hwrapper usg_hwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_image usg_post_image_1 espai_central_img as_circle stretched\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/la-reemergencia-de-china-es-el-factor-determinante-de-la-nueva-geopolitica-mundial\/\" aria-label=\"La reemergencia de China es el factor determinante de la nueva geopol\u00edtica mundial\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" data-src=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/china-2815788_640-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-post-image lazyload\" alt=\"la reemergencia de China\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/china-2815788_640-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/china-2815788_640-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/china-2815788_640-350x350.jpg 350w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/china-2815788_640-600x600.jpg 600w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/china-2815788_640.jpg 640w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 150px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 150\/150;\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"w-vwrapper usg_vwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><h3 class=\"w-post-elm post_title usg_post_title_1 entry-title color_link_inherit\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/la-reemergencia-de-china-es-el-factor-determinante-de-la-nueva-geopolitica-mundial\/\">La reemergencia de China es el factor determinante de la nueva geopol\u00edtica mundial<\/a><\/h3><time class=\"w-post-elm post_date usg_post_date_1 has_text_color entry-date published\" datetime=\"2025-04-30T08:52:26+02:00\">30 abril, 2025<\/time><div class=\"w-post-elm post_author usg_post_author_1 vcard author color_link_inherit\"><div class=\"post-author-meta\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/author\/victor_pou\/\" class=\"post-author-name fn\">Victor Pou<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t<\/article>\r\n\t<article class=\"w-grid-item size_1x1 post-87656 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-pro-europa-es tag-letta-es tag-unio-europea-es tag-union-europea\" data-id=\"87656\">\r\n\t\t<div class=\"w-grid-item-h\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"w-hwrapper usg_hwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_image usg_post_image_1 espai_central_img as_circle stretched\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/europa-ante-las-amenazas-imperiales-de-la-nueva-geopolitica-que-hacer\/\" aria-label=\"Europa ante las amenazas imperiales de la nueva geopol\u00edtica: \u00bfQu\u00e9 hacer?\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" data-src=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/european-parliament-1266491_640-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-post-image lazyload\" alt=\"Uni\u00f3n Europea de Federalistas\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/european-parliament-1266491_640-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/european-parliament-1266491_640-350x350.jpg 350w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 150px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 150\/150;\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"w-vwrapper usg_vwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><h3 class=\"w-post-elm post_title usg_post_title_1 entry-title color_link_inherit\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/europa-ante-las-amenazas-imperiales-de-la-nueva-geopolitica-que-hacer\/\">Europa ante las amenazas imperiales de la nueva geopol\u00edtica: \u00bfQu\u00e9 hacer?<\/a><\/h3><time class=\"w-post-elm post_date usg_post_date_1 has_text_color entry-date published\" datetime=\"2025-04-22T09:02:20+02:00\">22 abril, 2025<\/time><div class=\"w-post-elm post_author usg_post_author_1 vcard author color_link_inherit\"><div class=\"post-author-meta\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/author\/victor_pou\/\" class=\"post-author-name fn\">Victor Pou<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t<\/article>\r\n<\/div><div class=\"w-grid-preloader\">\t<div class=\"g-preloader type_1\">\r\n\t\t<div><\/div>\r\n\t<\/div>\r\n\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"w-grid-json hidden\" onclick='return {&quot;action&quot;:&quot;us_ajax_grid&quot;,&quot;infinite_scroll&quot;:0,&quot;max_num_pages&quot;:122,&quot;pagination&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;template_vars&quot;:{&quot;columns&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;exclude_items&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;img_size&quot;:&quot;default&quot;,&quot;ignore_items_size&quot;:0,&quot;items_layout&quot;:&quot;28089&quot;,&quot;items_offset&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;load_animation&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;overriding_link&quot;:&quot;{\\&quot;url\\&quot;:\\&quot;\\&quot;}&quot;,&quot;post_id&quot;:0,&quot;query_args&quot;:{&quot;post_type&quot;:[&quot;post&quot;],&quot;tax_query&quot;:[{&quot;taxonomy&quot;:&quot;category&quot;,&quot;field&quot;:&quot;slug&quot;,&quot;terms&quot;:[&quot;pro-europa-es&quot;]}],&quot;post_status&quot;:[&quot;publish&quot;],&quot;posts_per_page&quot;:&quot;2&quot;},&quot;orderby_query_args&quot;:{&quot;orderby&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;DESC&quot;}},&quot;type&quot;:&quot;grid&quot;,&quot;us_grid_post_type&quot;:&quot;post&quot;,&quot;us_grid_ajax_index&quot;:1,&quot;us_grid_filter_query_string&quot;:null,&quot;us_grid_index&quot;:1,&quot;page_args&quot;:[],&quot;lang&quot;:&quot;es&quot;}}'><\/div>\r\n\t<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"vc_col-sm-4 wpb_column vc_column_container caja_derecha_col\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner us_custom_d507cff7\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row caja_gris via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><h3><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/el-blog-de-josep-miro-i-ardevol\/\">El Blog de Josep Mir\u00f3 i Ard\u00e8vol<\/a><\/h3>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_small\"><\/div><div class=\"w-grid type_grid layout_28089\" id=\"us_grid_2\" style=\"--gap:1.5rem;\" data-filterable=\"true\"><div class=\"w-grid-list\">\t<article class=\"w-grid-item size_1x1 post-102269 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-el-blog-de-josep-miro-i-ardevol-es tag-estados-unidos tag-estats-units-es tag-immigracio-es tag-inmigracion\" data-id=\"102269\">\r\n\t\t<div class=\"w-grid-item-h\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"w-hwrapper usg_hwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_image usg_post_image_1 espai_central_img as_circle stretched\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/inmigracion-estados-unidos-lecciones-cataluna\/\" aria-label=\"Inmigraci\u00f3n: las tres lecciones de Estados Unidos que Catalu\u00f1a deber\u00eda aprender\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" data-src=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Captura-de-pantalla-2026-10-21-115642-150x150.png\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-post-image lazyload\" alt=\"Inmigraci\u00f3n en Estados Unidos\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Captura-de-pantalla-2026-10-21-115642-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Captura-de-pantalla-2026-10-21-115642-350x350.png 350w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Captura-de-pantalla-2026-10-21-115642-600x600.png 600w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 150px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 150\/150;\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"w-vwrapper usg_vwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><h3 class=\"w-post-elm post_title usg_post_title_1 entry-title color_link_inherit\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/inmigracion-estados-unidos-lecciones-cataluna\/\">Inmigraci\u00f3n: las tres lecciones de Estados Unidos que Catalu\u00f1a deber\u00eda aprender<\/a><\/h3><time class=\"w-post-elm post_date usg_post_date_1 has_text_color entry-date published\" datetime=\"2026-10-21T12:13:30+02:00\">21 octubre, 2026<\/time><div class=\"w-post-elm post_author usg_post_author_1 vcard author color_link_inherit\"><div class=\"post-author-meta\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/author\/josep-miro-i-ardevol\/\" class=\"post-author-name fn\">Josep Mir\u00f3 i Ard\u00e8vol<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t<\/article>\r\n\t<article class=\"w-grid-item size_1x1 post-101834 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-el-blog-de-josep-miro-i-ardevol-es tag-pedro-sanchez-es\" data-id=\"101834\">\r\n\t\t<div class=\"w-grid-item-h\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"w-hwrapper usg_hwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_image usg_post_image_1 espai_central_img as_circle stretched\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/por-que-sanchez-es-el-presidente-mas-criticado-de-la-democracia-y-iii-liderazgo-poder-y-polarizacion\/\" aria-label=\"\u00bfPor qu\u00e9 S\u00e1nchez es el presidente m\u00e1s criticado de la democracia? (y III): liderazgo, poder y polarizaci\u00f3n\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" data-src=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/pedro_sanchez_100kb-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-post-image lazyload\" alt=\"An\u00e1lisis del liderazgo de Pedro S\u00e1nchez\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/pedro_sanchez_100kb-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/pedro_sanchez_100kb-350x350.jpg 350w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/pedro_sanchez_100kb-600x600.jpg 600w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 150px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 150\/150;\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"w-vwrapper usg_vwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><h3 class=\"w-post-elm post_title usg_post_title_1 entry-title color_link_inherit\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/por-que-sanchez-es-el-presidente-mas-criticado-de-la-democracia-y-iii-liderazgo-poder-y-polarizacion\/\">\u00bfPor qu\u00e9 S\u00e1nchez es el presidente m\u00e1s criticado de la democracia? (y III): liderazgo, poder y polarizaci\u00f3n<\/a><\/h3><time class=\"w-post-elm post_date usg_post_date_1 has_text_color entry-date published\" datetime=\"2026-10-02T10:40:00+02:00\">2 octubre, 2026<\/time><div class=\"w-post-elm post_author usg_post_author_1 vcard author color_link_inherit\"><div class=\"post-author-meta\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/author\/josep-miro-i-ardevol\/\" class=\"post-author-name fn\">Josep Mir\u00f3 i Ard\u00e8vol<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t<\/article>\r\n<\/div><div class=\"w-grid-preloader\">\t<div class=\"g-preloader type_1\">\r\n\t\t<div><\/div>\r\n\t<\/div>\r\n\t<\/div>\t<div class=\"w-grid-json hidden\" onclick='return {&quot;action&quot;:&quot;us_ajax_grid&quot;,&quot;infinite_scroll&quot;:0,&quot;max_num_pages&quot;:124,&quot;pagination&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;template_vars&quot;:{&quot;columns&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;exclude_items&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;img_size&quot;:&quot;default&quot;,&quot;ignore_items_size&quot;:0,&quot;items_layout&quot;:&quot;28089&quot;,&quot;items_offset&quot;:&quot;1&quot;,&quot;load_animation&quot;:&quot;none&quot;,&quot;overriding_link&quot;:&quot;{\\&quot;url\\&quot;:\\&quot;\\&quot;}&quot;,&quot;post_id&quot;:0,&quot;query_args&quot;:{&quot;post_type&quot;:[&quot;post&quot;],&quot;tax_query&quot;:[{&quot;taxonomy&quot;:&quot;category&quot;,&quot;field&quot;:&quot;slug&quot;,&quot;terms&quot;:[&quot;el-blog-de-josep-miro-i-ardevol-es&quot;]}],&quot;post_status&quot;:[&quot;publish&quot;],&quot;posts_per_page&quot;:&quot;2&quot;},&quot;orderby_query_args&quot;:{&quot;orderby&quot;:{&quot;date&quot;:&quot;DESC&quot;}},&quot;type&quot;:&quot;grid&quot;,&quot;us_grid_post_type&quot;:&quot;post&quot;,&quot;us_grid_ajax_index&quot;:2,&quot;us_grid_filter_query_string&quot;:null,&quot;us_grid_index&quot;:2,&quot;page_args&quot;:[],&quot;lang&quot;:&quot;es&quot;}}'><\/div>\r\n\t<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"vc_col-sm-4 wpb_column vc_column_container caja_derecha_col\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner us_custom_d507cff7\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"g-cols wpb_row caja_gris via_flex valign_top type_default stacking_default\"><div class=\"vc_col-sm-12 wpb_column vc_column_container\"><div class=\"vc_column-inner\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><div class=\"wpb_text_column\"><div class=\"wpb_wrapper\"><h3><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/veritas-in-caritate\/\">Veritas in caritate<\/a><\/h3>\n<\/div><\/div><div class=\"w-separator size_small\"><\/div><div class=\"w-grid type_grid layout_28089\" id=\"us_grid_3\" style=\"--gap:1.5rem;\" data-filterable=\"true\"><div class=\"w-grid-list\">\t<article class=\"w-grid-item size_1x1 post-101638 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-veritas-in-caritate-es tag-macintyre-es\" data-id=\"101638\">\r\n\t\t<div class=\"w-grid-item-h\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"w-hwrapper usg_hwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_image usg_post_image_1 espai_central_img as_circle stretched\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/tres-morales-para-una-societat-dividida\/\" aria-label=\"Tres morales para una sociedad dividida\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" data-src=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Captura-de-pantalla-2026-09-24-122610-150x150.png\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-post-image lazyload\" alt=\"\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Captura-de-pantalla-2026-09-24-122610-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Captura-de-pantalla-2026-09-24-122610-350x350.png 350w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Captura-de-pantalla-2026-09-24-122610-600x600.png 600w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 150px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 150\/150;\" \/><\/a><\/div><div class=\"w-vwrapper usg_vwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><h3 class=\"w-post-elm post_title usg_post_title_1 entry-title color_link_inherit\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/tres-morales-para-una-societat-dividida\/\">Tres morales para una sociedad dividida<\/a><\/h3><time class=\"w-post-elm post_date usg_post_date_1 has_text_color entry-date published\" datetime=\"2026-09-24T12:31:23+02:00\">24 septiembre, 2026<\/time><div class=\"w-post-elm post_author usg_post_author_1 vcard author color_link_inherit\"><div class=\"post-author-meta\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/author\/carles-ros-arpa\/\" class=\"post-author-name fn\">Carles Ros Arpa<\/a><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\t\t<\/div>\r\n\t\t\t<\/article>\r\n\t<article class=\"w-grid-item size_1x1 post-100267 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-veritas-in-caritate-es tag-alianca-catalana-es tag-jordi-pujol-es tag-silvia-orriols\" data-id=\"100267\">\r\n\t\t<div class=\"w-grid-item-h\">\r\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"w-hwrapper usg_hwrapper_1 align_left valign_top\"><div class=\"w-post-elm post_image usg_post_image_1 espai_central_img as_circle stretched\"><a href=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/es\/silvia-orriols-no-es-jordi-pujol\/\" aria-label=\"S\u00edlvia Orriols no es Jordi Pujol\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" data-src=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/PUJOL_JOVE_100KB-150x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail wp-post-image lazyload\" alt=\"Silvia Orriols no es Jordi Pujol\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/PUJOL_JOVE_100KB-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/PUJOL_JOVE_100KB-350x350.jpg 350w, https:\/\/conversesacatalunya.cat\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/PUJOL_JOVE_100KB-600x600.jpg 600w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 150px; 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Es indiscutible el m\u00e9rito personal de Silvia Orriols, una aut\u00e9ntica outsider de la pol\u00edtica catalana, que durante su primer mandato en el Ayuntamiento de Ripoll resisti\u00f3 el cord\u00f3n sanitario del resto de partidos y acab\u00f3 alcanzando la alcald\u00eda con m\u00e1s del 30 % de los votos. Desde Ripoll, Alian\u00e7a Catalana se ha ido implantando por todo el territorio gracias al empuje de sus dirigentes y afiliados. Alian\u00e7a Catalana es la reacci\u00f3n de una parte de la sociedad ante la falta de control y regulaci\u00f3n de la inmigraci\u00f3n masiva que ha recibido Catalu\u00f1a durante todo lo que llevamos de siglo. Bien mirado, no se trata tanto de una cuesti\u00f3n ideol\u00f3gica como de una reacci\u00f3n m\u00e1s primaria o instintiva. Los catalanes, en su conjunto, no somos una sociedad cerrada a los extranjeros, y mucho menos racista. Adem\u00e1s, la inmensa mayor\u00eda de los inmigrantes que recibimos son personas responsables y trabajadoras que han venido a ganarse una vida mejor. Pero tambi\u00e9n los hay que delinquen, que abusan de los servicios p\u00fablicos o que se niegan a aceptar las normas m\u00ednimas de convivencia de la sociedad que los acoge. La magnitud del fen\u00f3meno migratorio, la percepci\u00f3n de descontrol y la inacci\u00f3n de los distintos gobiernos ante estos problemas han dado alas a Alian\u00e7a Catalana. Orriols tambi\u00e9n ha sabido detectar y capitalizar pol\u00edticamente la decepci\u00f3n por el desenlace del Proc\u00e9s. A esos catalanes desencantados van dirigidas sus proclamas identitarias y patri\u00f3ticas, que apelan a una Catalu\u00f1a idealizada, anterior a las grandes oleadas migratorias de los siglos XX y XXI. Sus discursos presentan la independencia como un objetivo frustrado por la cobard\u00eda de los dirigentes del proc\u00e9s, pero que ella estar\u00eda dispuesta a culminar cuando tenga la oportunidad de gobernar. El \u00faltimo gran pol\u00edtico catal\u00e1n que construy\u00f3 su discurso sobre el patriotismo fue Jordi Pujol. Por eso resulta pertinente establecer una comparaci\u00f3n entre el expresident y Orriols. Pujol tambi\u00e9n inici\u00f3 su trayectoria pol\u00edtica en una \u00e9poca marcada por una gran oleada migratoria, la que durante el tercer cuarto del siglo pasado lleg\u00f3 principalmente desde el sur de Espa\u00f1a. Es cierto que aquellos inmigrantes eran culturalmente m\u00e1s pr\u00f3ximos, aunque las diferencias entre un catal\u00e1n y un andaluz de hace setenta a\u00f1os pod\u00edan ser, en algunos aspectos, mayores que las que hoy existen entre muchos catalanes y una parte de los reci\u00e9n llegados. Tambi\u00e9n es cierto que aquella fue una etapa de crecimiento econ\u00f3mico en la que pr\u00e1cticamente todo el mundo pod\u00eda encontrar trabajo y prosperar. El gran \u00e9xito pol\u00edtico de Jordi Pujol consisti\u00f3 en construir una mayor\u00eda social catalana incorporando a cientos de miles de personas nacidas fuera de Catalu\u00f1a a un proyecto colectivo de pa\u00eds. Pujol asumi\u00f3 la nueva realidad social que estaba emergiendo e intent\u00f3 integrarla en un solo pueblo, con la colaboraci\u00f3n imprescindible del PSC y del PSUC. Esa idea qued\u00f3 resumida en la conocida definici\u00f3n \u00abEs catal\u00e1n quien vive y trabaja en Catalu\u00f1a\u00bb, popularizada por Pujol, aunque formulada originalmente por el dirigente socialista Rafael Campalans durante la d\u00e9cada de 1930. Esta concepci\u00f3n de la catalanidad se sit\u00faa en las ant\u00edpodas del nacionalismo identitario que hoy defiende Orriols, un nacionalismo que pone el acento en los or\u00edgenes culturales y en la percepci\u00f3n de una amenaza demogr\u00e1fica sobre una Catalu\u00f1a idealizada como esencialmente catalana. Poco importa que esa visi\u00f3n no encaje con la realidad social y ling\u00fc\u00edstica del pa\u00eds. A diferencia de la \u00e9poca del joven Pujol, la pol\u00edtica actual se construye menos sobre el realismo y mucho m\u00e1s sobre las emociones. Tambi\u00e9n sobre un cierto cinismo, asumido con naturalidad por todos los partidos, seg\u00fan el cual una cosa es lo que se defiende y promete desde la oposici\u00f3n y otra muy distinta lo que realmente puede hacerse cuando se gobierna. El pensamiento pol\u00edtico de Pujol estaba en sinton\u00eda con la corriente democristiana y social predominante en la Europa de los Treinta A\u00f1os Gloriosos (1945-1975), y conectaba con la tradici\u00f3n pol\u00edtica catalanista de ra\u00edz cat\u00f3lica anterior a la Guerra Civil. Esa tradici\u00f3n conciliaba una concepci\u00f3n cultural y espiritual del pa\u00eds con una preocupaci\u00f3n por la cohesi\u00f3n social y el bienestar de la comunidad. El objetivo prioritario de Pujol era construir la Catalu\u00f1a del futuro a partir de la realidad existente, no de una Catalu\u00f1a idealizada. Impulsado por la nueva derecha europea y, m\u00e1s all\u00e1 de los maximalismos y de la ret\u00f3rica, el proyecto pol\u00edtico de Alian\u00e7a Catalana todav\u00eda est\u00e1 por definir en muchos aspectos. Incorpora un discurso liberal en materia econ\u00f3mica y tambi\u00e9n en cuestiones morales, con posiciones favorables al aborto y a la denominada ideolog\u00eda de g\u00e9nero que dif\u00edcilmente parecen conciliables con el componente identitario y patri\u00f3tico que constituye el eje central de su discurso y que, en teor\u00eda, deber\u00eda traducirse en una apuesta por la estabilidad y la natalidad de las familias catalanas. Pero eso parece que no importa: en la pol\u00edtica contempor\u00e1nea, las emociones son las protagonistas. Twitter:@ros_arpa Art\u00edculo publicado en el Diari de Girona el 14 de julio de 2026 La l\u00edder de Alian\u00e7a Catalana representa una ruptura con el catalanismo integrador de Jordi Pujol y canaliza el malestar por la inmigraci\u00f3n y el desenlace del Proc\u00e9s. @JordiPujol #AC Compartir en X","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_FSMCFIC_featured_image_caption":"","_FSMCFIC_featured_image_nocaption":"","_FSMCFIC_featured_image_hide":"","footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-27793","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Conversemos - Converses a Catalunya<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"noindex, follow\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"es_ES\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Conversemos - 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